NEVER!!!! if anyone needs help with shotty ill try and get pat to help. he won some australian shotty competition.
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by the way sasr, his name was Kodiak, and they are not the best in the world anymore. they did win the world championship against Germany and they are from Hungary but they don't play as much anymore and anyway the European world championship it was. America don't go to Europe much lol so hard to tell whom is better.
the clan was called ancients. and website was something like http://www.ancients.hu
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but i think they closed it down